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[disorienting music builds slowly]
[cell phone vibrating]
(苏瑞·克鲁斯 发脾气 《联系》杂志第一期 两页特稿)
(沙特阿拉伯国王阿卜杜拉 利亚·梅瑟独家报道)
(安吉丽娜·朱莉 电影拍摄现场 威尼斯 地点待定)
(贝拉克·奥巴马 飞往阿富汗)
[music trails off]
- [man grunts] - [vibrating stops]
这是周五晚上 [groans] Oh, it's Friday night.
已经是周六上午了 亲爱的 [woman on phone] It's Saturday morning, honey.
Mm?
[grunting softly]
[breathes deeply]
是他吗? Is it him?
(杰·唐纳利 《世界新闻报》) [disjointed music plays]
(2010年 纽约)
[traffic noises overlap]
[trunk opens]
[siren wailing in distance]
伦敦的新闻部说 昨晚他从希思罗机场飞来 News desk in London says he flew in from Heathrow last night.
我在英国领事馆的人说 他没有留宿 所以... My guy at the British consulate said he's not staying there, so...
门口那两个 是爱泼斯坦的人 [Jae] Those two on the door, they're Epstein's.
那三个 Those three guys,
我之前见过 I've seen them before.
皇家护卫官 如果他们在的话... Royal protection officers. If they're here--
杰 门开了 Jae, the door.
警卫 [woman gasps] Guards.
就好像她根本不存在一样 [Jae] It's like she wasn't even there.
这么些年她一定是经常来 [camera clicks] She must have been coming for years.
天啊 [woman] Christ.
她肯定没到20岁 She can't be more than 20 now.
是啊 Yeah.
[unsettling music builds]
[music trails off]
[faint indistinct chatter]
来了 Here we go.
是爱泼斯坦 - [camera clicking] - It's Epstein.
- 是他 那是安德鲁 - 拜托 转过去 - [woman] That's him. That's Andrew. - [Jae] Come on, turn around.
搞什么? - What? - [woman groans]
[sighs]
快! - [grunts] - Go, go, go!
[tense music playing]
[clears throat]
[ambient bustling]
天气真好! What a lovely day.
好了 Oh, here we are.
好吧 Okay.
[camera clicking]
[sighs]
好吧 Uh... okay. Okay.
- 这样不行 - 什么? - This isn't gonna work. - [woman] What isn't?
改变计划 Change of plan.
[music intensifies]
杰 别不说话 [woman] Jae, talk to me.
我不按计划来了 I'm improvising.
等我一下 Bear with me.
老天 Oh God.
[breathing heavily]
- 杰? - 现在不行 - Jae? - Not now.
[music settles]
[camera clicking]
[rapid camera clicks]
[gasping]
[disjointed music builds]
杰 你在听吗? Jae, are you there?
[exhales, sighs]
我在 I'm here. [panting]
["Don't Rain on my Parade" by Barbara Streisand playing]
â™ª I gotta fly once â™ª
《皇室丑闻夜》 â™ª I gotta try once â™ª
(九年后) â™ª Only can die once â™ª
â™ª Right, sir? â™ª
â™ª Ooh, life is juicy â™ª
â™ª Juicy, and you see â™ª
â™ª I gotta have my bite, sir â™ª
â™ª Don't tell me not to fly I simply got to â™ª
â™ª If someone takes a spill, it's me... â™ª
欢迎各位 [woman] Welcome, everybody.
占用大家的午餐时间了 感谢大家 I want to thank you all for taking the time out of your lunch.
BBC的所有同仁们 我们都面临着一些重大挑战 All of us at the BBC face some incredible challenges.
â™ª Life's candy And the sun's a ball of butter... â™ª
早上好 乔治 Morning, George.
â™ª Who told you You're allowed to rain on my parade? â™ª
(自由意味着 有权利说出人们不想听的话)
世界在发生改变 The world is changing.
我们要与之一起改变 We need to change with it.
每年 BBC在新闻方面 都面临着日益严峻的竞争 Every year the BBC faces more and more competition in the news space,
我们必须努力 不能落后于时代 and we must fight to remain relevant.
â™ª Eye on the target, and wham! â™ª
â™ª One shot, one gunshot... â™ª
有谁拿了我的烤鸡? - Has someone got my Nando's? - Oh, yeah.
对了
â™ª Hey, world â™ª
该死的狗! Bloody dog! â™ª Here I am â™ª
â™ª I'll march my band out â™ª
â™ª I'll beat my drum â™ª
我们还没被开除呢? Have we still got jobs, then?
[men chuckling]
穆迪 别哀求了!过来 Moody, stop begging! Come on.
过来 穆迪! Come here. Moody!
在我的职业生涯中 从未像今天这样 感受到BBC新闻所面临的巨大威胁 [newswoman] Never in my career
have I felt BBC News is under as much threat as it is today.
我们有责任去应对这个问题 It is our duty to respond.
所以 我怀着巨大的悲伤 So it is with great sadness
不得不向大家宣布...我们将裁员 that I have to announce... some job losses.
我们目前估计的裁员人数 We currently estimate these job cuts
将会在450人左右 to be in the region of 450.
来了 还是他妈的来了 Here we go. Here we fucking go.
我知道这是个巨大的数字 I know it is an enormous number.
如何提升你的新闻采编能力? How to improve your news-gathering.
开除所有记者 Sack all the journalists.
[elevator dings]
裁员的范围包括所有的新闻部门 These cuts will be across all news departments.
以及所有的节目 And across all shows.
非常感谢 Thank you very much.
好了 专心点 - Okay. Uh, focus. - [song ends]
我们听完她说的话了 除非我走神了 We've heard what she had to say, and unless I missed it,
她并没有说今晚不做节目了 she didn't say anything about not doing our show.
- 真是悲惨 - 你听说了吗? - Well, that was bleak. - Manage to catch it? Did you?
9小时13分钟后 Nine hours and 13 minutes from now,
我们就要直播了 播什么? we're on air. With what?
后续报道 英国出售给沙特人的武器 用在了也门战争里 [woman] Follow-up on British arms sold to the Saudis being used in Yemen.
这已经做过了 有什么新鲜的点吗? 为什么放在今天? Yeah, we've covered that. What's the hook? Why today?
英国脱欧 和法拉奇对战15轮 艾米莉的一对一采访 [man] Brexit. Fifteen rounds with Farage. One-on-one with Emily.
法拉奇那个 我们的切入点是什么?来点新的 What would be our way in with Farage? Something new.
- 无摩擦边界 - 每次都让我脑洞大开 - [man] Frictionless borders. - Gets my juices going every time.
今晚我能找来露皮塔 - I can get us Lupita for tonight. - The actress? Has she got a film out?
那个女演员?她有新电影了吗?
没有 她想聊聊肤色歧视 她有很多话要说 No. She wants to talk colorism. She's got a lot to say.
她很厉害的 而且是独家 我们该用它来开场 She's great. It's an exclusive. I think we should open with it.
很适合后半部 不能用她开场 Perfect for the second half. Can't open with her.
同意 他们不能干涉我们的播出顺序 Agreed. They don't decide our running order.
我们用过艾玛·汤普森谈韦恩斯坦 他们看到了 所以才这么要求的 We opened with Emma Thompson on Weinstein. They saw that. That's why they want us.
韦恩斯坦是那天的新闻 露皮塔也许不错 但不是新闻 Weinstein was a news story that day.
Lupita may well be great, but it isn't news.
后半部 Second half.
那么 就法拉奇?萨姆? 你能约到他吗? So, Farage? Sam? Can you book him?
弗雷迪 如果你想要法拉奇 那就简单了 If you want Farage, Freddy, then it's simple.
打电话给他的公关 真不是什么上天的难事 You call up his PR. It's really not rocket science.
他马上就能来 He'll be straight over.
那是你的工作 你负责约人 [Freddy] That's your job. You're our booker.
你知道公司刚刚宣布要裁掉几百人吧 And you do know we've just announced a few hundred redundancies.
好吧 我们... Uh, okay, let's, uh--
弗雷迪 我能做这份工作 是因为 我能约到一通电话找不到的人 The way I keep my job... Freddy, is by booking the people we can't just call up.
那些别人没法轻易约到的人 The ones other people can't just get.
你管这个叫工作? 迟到了还悠闲地进来 花一上午 The job where you waltz in late, then spend the morning
研究跟皮尔斯·摩根去哪里吃午餐 迟到早退 working out where to go for lunch with Piers Morgan?
Last in, first out.
- 你六点整就来了 对吗? - 怎么了? - You were here at 6:00. On the pips. Yeah? - What?
你知道意味着什么吗? 那表明我们的时效性滞后了16个小时 You know what that does? That puts us 16 hours behind the news cycle,
而在这期间 我在外面 寻找大家真正关心的新闻 while I go out and find stories people actually care about.
[pensive music plays]
不 我们很爱露皮塔 我们非常希望她能来 No, we love Lupita, and we desperately want her.
我们希望用她来收尾 再把重点放在社交媒体上 We'd like to close with her and go huge on socials.
你知道的 在那里才能引爆 You know, that's where this really cuts through.
(希望能...)
(希望能谈谈)
好的 太棒了 Okay, that's great.
太棒了! Great!
谢谢 你太牛逼了 再见 Thanks, you're a superstar. Okay, bye.
(龙门创将)
[clears throat]
(陷入困境的安德鲁王子 将在白金汉宫启动青年企业家计划)
(媒体专席)
[applause]
(议事厅内不允许使用手机)
[clears throat]
这次不关我的事 It's not about me.
[light scattered laughter]
这次是关于 This is about
把你们这些优秀的年轻创业者 putting you wonderful young entrepreneurs
介绍给 together with you
这些比你们稍微成熟一点的投资人们 eh... slightly more mature investors.
[light laughter]
因此 在“龙门创将”我们将携手 So that together with Pitch@Palace,
共同创造奇迹 we can make magic happen.
我知道你们已经 迫不及待想跟他们沟通了 Now, I know you're all desperate to get talking to them,
他们也很想听听你们的想法 and they're desperate to listen to your ideas
让这些想法成为现实 and make them into a reality.
所以我最好还是不打扰你们了 So the best thing for me to do is to get out of the way
让你们赶紧开始吧 and let you crack on.
在此之前 Before I do...
[light laughter]
别告诉我妈 Don't tell my mum.
[laughter]
(议事厅内允许使用手机)
[guests clapping]
没人来也许是最好的 Maybe for the best no one came.
好了 [Andrew] Ah, there we are.
好了 一起说“龙门创将” All right, now say Pitch@Palace.
龙门创将! [all] Pitch@Palace!
龙门创将! Pitch@Palace!
我希望你们能公平点 Uh... I'd like it to be fair.
你们不会在说到比尔·克林顿的时候 I mean, you don't mention Epstein
每次都提爱泼斯坦 对吧? every time there's a story about Bill Clinton, do you?
比尔·克林顿可不是女王最爱的儿子 [man] Bill Clinton isn't the Queen's favorite son.
如果你在现场 你就能亲眼看到 [sighs] And if you had been here, then you would have seen for yourself
他的这个项目是多么有意义 the... the wonderful job that... that he does with Pitch,
能够激励年轻的创业者们 encouraging young entrepreneurs.
有多年轻?这些创业者们? 多大年纪算年轻? How young? These entrepreneurs? How young is young?
滚吧 尼克 Piss off, Nick.
他们怎么还是登出来了? How do they get away with this?
所以我们才雇了杰森来处理这些事 That is why we have hired Jason. To manage this.
时间 Time.
- 这需要时间 - 时间?那张照片是九年前的了 - It takes time. - Time? That photograph is nine years old.
- 殿下 只是... - 不听 - Sir, just-- - No.
- 这样的报道 没法一下子纠正过来 - 你们这些人只会说这个 - No quick fix to a story like this. - So you people keep telling me.
您百分百正确 [Jason] And you are 100% right,
殿下 Your Royal Highness.
关于什么? About what?
您被卷入爱泼斯坦的丑闻 已经差不多十年了 You've been dealing with this Epstein mess for nearly a decade.
您没在那时候见过他 对吗? You haven't seen him in that time, correct?
没有 绝对没有 那是... Uh... No. No, um...
No, absolutely. It was, um...
Uh... December 2010.
2010年12月
那我的直觉告诉我 您用错策略了 Then my instinct is... you haven't had the right strategy.
爱泼斯坦 和这整个“花花公子王子”事件 Epstein, and the whole... Playboy Prince thing,
早就该寿终正寝了 should have been put to bed a long time ago.
我可以平息这件事 And I can make it go away.
但您必须让我来主导 But you have to let me control it.
阿曼达? Amanda?
杰森很了解媒体 Well, uh, Jason knows the press.
所以我们才雇用他 That's why we hired him.
Uh...
我觉得他能帮到我们 I think he can help us.
我已经列出来一份友好记者的名单 I've, uh, put together a list of friendly journalists.
这不是自相矛盾么? That's a... contradiction in terms, innit?
挨个请他们来这里喝茶 Invite them here, one by one, for tea.
他们会觉得自己受到了特殊待遇 They feel special.
你们可以互相交个心 非公开的情况下 You get to know each other, all off the record,
他们会慢慢意识到 您是个相当不错的人 and slowly they realize you're a decent human being,
同时呢 who is, by the way,
准备好了承认自己判断失误 prepared to acknowledge errors of judgment.
[grunts]
慢慢地 Slowly.
总是要慢慢来 总需要时间 It's always slowly. Always time.
明年我就60了 I'm 60 next year.
我的母亲... And my mother, well...
没有人能耗得起那么多时间了 none of us are getting any younger.
(1封新邮件 来自萨姆·麦卡利斯特)
(希望能谈谈)
杰森给的记者名单 Jason's list of journalists.
[inhales deeply]
Mm...
怎么了? What?
这个... [sighs] Well, this...
这种名单 这个策略 This list. This... strategy.
我们以前都试过 We've been down this road before.
(希望能谈谈)
(萨姆·麦卡利斯特 BBC新闻之夜)
["Don't Rain On My Parade" plays as ringtone]
- 你好? - 你好 萨姆 - Hello? - [Amanda] Hello, Sam.
我是约克公爵办公室的 阿曼达·瑟斯克 It's Amanda Thirsk from the Duke of York's office.
你好 Hi.
但我们不接受任何红线 But we don't do red lines.
不能有问不了的问题 No questions off the table.
- 或许你先考虑一下 - 我再跟你联系 - Maybe just think on it. - I'll get back to you.
好的 很期待 Great. Speak soon.
有好消息吗? - [woman] Anything good? - Not sure. The Palace.
不确定 白金汉宫
好了 目前有哪些了? - Right, what have we got? - You know what I think?
又是脱欧 Brexit again.
萨姆 你不是有白金汉宫的消息吗? Sam, didn't you have something? The Palace?
今晚不行 露皮塔还是可以的 Uh, not for tonight. But we have Lupita.
很好 白金汉宫什么情况? Great. Which bit of the Palace?
- 安德鲁王子的私人秘书 - 好的 他们想干什么? - Prince Andrew's private secretary. - Okay, what do they want?
龙门创将 类似于《学徒》 Pitch@Palace. It's like The Apprentice,
只不过没有唐纳德·特朗普 只有安德鲁王子 only you get Prince Andrew instead of Donald Trump.
- 不是电视节目... - 不适合《新闻之夜》吧? - It's not on television-- - Not Newsnight, is it?
你认识安德鲁的私人秘书? Do you know Andrew's PS?
- 不认识 - 是她先联系你的吗? - No. - Did she reach out to you first?
对 [Sam] Yeah.
对 Yeah.
好了 大家继续找 一小时后我们再讨论 Okay, everyone, keep looking, and let's talk again in an hour.
[pensive music plays]
(安德鲁王子和杰弗里·爱泼斯坦)
(《世界新闻报》)
(安迪王子与恋童癖)
我想找个人 [Sam] I need a connect.
杰·唐纳利 一个狗仔队 生活在纽约 你认识吗? Uh, Jae Donnelly. A pap. Based in New York. Do you know him?
太好了 Great.
真要了命了 God... For Christ's sake.
法拉奇来不了了 我们得换个人 Farage isn't available. We need somebody else.
可能连他自己都觉得无聊了 等我一会儿 Maybe even he's bored with it by now. Give me a minute.
- 跟谁打电话? - 摄影师 - Who's on the phone? - Photographer.
哪个机构的?狗仔队? Working for who? Paparazzi?
全是你的最爱 弗雷迪 《太阳报》《每日邮报》 All your favorites, Freddy. The Sun. The Mail.
开什么玩笑 For Christ's sake.
你知道吗?但凡我们能有半点直觉 [Sam] You know what? If we had half the instincts
以及一点点小报狗仔队的联系人资源 and a quarter of the contacts for the average tabloid pap,
也许我们就不用东找西找 maybe we wouldn't be scrabbling around
每晚出一些换汤不换药的内容了 for new ways to have the same argument every night.
所以就交给我 好吗? So just, you know, leave it with me, yeah?
马上为您呈现 Coming right up.
一个真的能让艾米莉教训一顿的人 Someone... Someone for Emily to really tell off.
- 整个伦敦北部的社交晚宴上... - 萨姆 - All the dinner parties in North London... - Sam.
- ...说:“看了昨晚的《新闻之夜》?” - 萨姆 - ...say, "Did you see Newsnight last night? - Sam.
“很了不起吧?艾米莉·麦特莉丝 说得多好 都是我们的心声” "Wasn't it amazing how Emily Maitlis said all the great things we all agree with?"
我们以为做新闻就是自说自话 弗雷迪 这是真要命啊 We're mistaking talking to ourselves for news, Freddy, and it's killing us.
[inhales deeply]
斯图尔特 - Stewart. - Mm?
我要去演播室了 I'm heading down to the studio.
[pensive music plays]
快来!穆迪! - Come! Moody! - [dog whimpers]
如果我这么干 对着办公室所有同事 羞辱别人 I behave like that... insulting people in front of the entire office,
我还能在这里吗? 我的工作能保住吗? I mean, am I still here? Do I still have a job?
我们对萨姆 We have an issue
有些意见 with Sam.
我们?都有谁? We? Who's we?
有我 弗雷迪 [scoffs] Well, I do,
现在可能还有艾米莉 Freddy, and now possibly Emily.
不是我有偏见 但她真的很《每日邮报》 I'm not a snob, but she's very Daily Mail.
我不是说我们容不下不同的想法 I'm not saying we can't cope with different opinions,
但她... but she is...
她的戒备心太强了 she's too defensive.
把灯调亮一点 [woman] Put the lights up a touch.
太清冷了 It's too cold.
我说的不是“调低” I didn't say "turn back down."
是的 但这是直播的设定亮度 [tech] Sure, but this is the correct set level for broadcast.
这我知道 退回去 I'm aware of that. Back up.
谢谢你能来 萨姆 Thanks for coming, Sam.
这个程度 但再暖一些 That level but warmer.
好的 [tech] All right, okay.
我去调整一下 I'll just have to switch some things around.
你能理解我们的压力吗? You understand the pressure we're under?
我们所有人 我经历的扯皮已经太多了 All of us. I've got enough fights on my hands
不想在自己的团队里还要吵架 without having them in my own team.
也许你该跟他们... Maybe you should speak with--
我有跟他们说 我跟他们说的话和跟你说的一样 I am speaking to them, and I'm saying to them the same thing I'm saying to you.
- 帮帮我吧 - 这样好点了吗? - Help me out. - What about something like that?
再暖一点 非常暖 Warmer, much warmer.
我在努力改变 我想吸引更广泛的观众 I'm trying to make changes. I want a broader audience.
只有这样才能生存 我不想打造一个信息茧房 That's how we survive. I've no interest in echo chambers.
我想要不同的声音 我想要张力 I want different voices. I want tension.
还有热情 And passion.
我很抱歉 - Look, Emily, I'm sorry. - No, you're not.
你不用道歉
你说的每个字都是真心话 You meant every word.
不是每个字 Not every word.
别以为我不知道别人怎么看我 Don't think I don't know what people think about me.
重点是 如果我们互相掐着喉咙较劲 The point is, if we're at each other's throats,
这些都不可能实现 then none of this is going to work.
所以到底可以吗? [tech] So what are we saying?
不可以 再暖一点 No, warmer.
好了 就这个 Okay, stop there.
- 我很喜欢 - 太好了 - I like it. - [tech] Great.
好了 都明白了 还有事吗? Okay, understood. Anything else?
- 我... - 三个女人和一条惠比特犬 - I-- - [Emily] Three women and a whippet.
我刚开始工作时 在BBC演播室可看不到这种组合 You wouldn't have seen that in a BBC studio when I started.
[woman laughs]
我的天啊 - [girl] Oh my God, n-- - Oh my God, that is--
我的天 那简直...
- 不! - 不! - No, no, no, no, no! - No, no, no, no!
- [exclaiming] - I told you!
[overlapping excited chatter]
[musical ringtone playing]
Oh.
(杰·唐纳利)
抱歉有点吵 我在工作 可能会突然挂断 Sorry about the noise. I'm working. I might have to go without saying goodbye.
谢谢你给我回电话 有好消息吗? Thanks for calling me back. Anything good?
某个卡戴珊新发布了一款短裤 A Kardashian launching a new pair of knickers.
得养活自己啊 Gotta pay the bills.
好了 看短信 - [chuckles] - All right, check your messages.
这几年我在爱泼斯坦家 拍到的女孩的照片 Some photos of girls I've taken over the years at Epstein's.
每个人会在里面待大约一个小时 They are in there about an hour each.
她们看起来非常年轻 They look very young.
[girls laughing]
她们来自66号街上的一栋公寓楼 [Jae] They come from an apartment block on 66th Street
公寓楼的所有者是爱泼斯坦的兄弟 被杰弗里租下了 owned by Epstein's brother, rented by Jeffrey.
这是个女孩仓库 It's a warehouse of girls.
他称呼为他的“妙龄女郎” He calls them his "nubiles."
[scoffs]
现在还在发生吗? This is still happening?
已经产业化了 萨姆 It's industrial, Sam.
我来纽约好几年了 I've been in New York for years.
我只要在那里守满24小时 All I have to do is spend 24 hours outside of that place,
就能看见她们进进出出 and you see them come and go.
为什么我们完全不知道? How do we not know about this?
因为那是些没人在意的年轻女孩 Because it's young girls no one cares about
在一栋房子里进进出出 going in and out of a house.
以及他很有钱 And he's rich.
他进过监狱 现在出来了 说实话 几乎没人在乎这个 You know, he went to jail. Now he's out. Frankly, hardly anyone gives a shit.
那安德鲁 他经常在那边吗? And Andrew, is he in there often?
曾经是的 肯定的 - Oh, back in the day, sure. - Any proof?
有证据吗? 证明安德鲁确实在爱泼斯坦那里? Of Andrew actually at Epstein's?
除了公园的照片 Other than the park picture?
没有 Uh... no.
没有 他们很小心 No, they're careful.
但我可以向你保证他在 But I can promise you he was there.
你知道吉斯莱恩·麦克斯韦的事吧? - You know about Ghislaine Maxwell, right? - [clamoring]
安德鲁的朋友? - Andrew's friend? - No.
不知道
你需要知道 我要挂了 Well, you should. I've gotta go. Ghislaine. Look her up. I'll be in touch.
- 去查查她 我们再联系 - 谢谢
Thanks.
- 各位 - 什么? - [girl 1] Guys. - [girl 2] What?
- 看看这个 - 让我看看 - [girl 1] Look at this. - [girl 3] Let me see.
[all exclaiming]
[pensive music fades slowly]
萨姆 别去打扰他 [woman] Sam. Leave him a minute.
[mouthing]
- 写什么? - 写一首诗 - A what? - [softly] Writing a poem.
卢卡斯? Lucas?
[horns honking]
[woman speaking indistinctly on TV]
那个她是谁? So who is she?
我跟她不是一个级别的 I'm not in her class.
听着 我知道我是你妈 我又很偏爱你 Listen, I... I know I'm your mum, and I'm biased and everything,
但你是个非常帅气的小伙子 所以你不该... but you're very handsome, so you shouldn't--
不是的 天啊 我是说不是一个班级 No. Oh my. I mean my actual class.
- 她比我高一年级 - 欣赏你的野心 - She's in the year above. - Oh.
Well, I like your ambition. [laughs]
- 辣椒酱 对吗?跟往常一样? - 是的 - [man] Chili sauce, yeah? The usual? - Yes, please.
要我给你些建议吗? 如何跟女孩说话? You want a tip? How to talk to girls?
- 我有选择吗? - 并没有 - Do I have a choice? - Not really, no.
你要倾听 绝大部分人喜欢说话 You listen. Most people want to talk.
但他们都不擅长倾听 But most people are terrible at listening.
Mm.
[news jingle playing]
但你向英国人民保证过 不会有问题 But you promised the British people there wouldn't be an issue.
在当时 我坚持... And at the time, I followed that through--
- 当时你是不是错了? - 我不接受这个说法 - Were you wrong at the time? - I don't accept that.
你要么错了 要么就是许下了无法兑现的承诺 Well, you were either wrong or making a promise you couldn't keep.
是哪一种? Which is it?
你自称为一个有原则的人 You described yourself as a man of principle.
同时也向选民保证 英国与欧盟之间的边境检查 You also guaranteed voters that border checks between the UK and EU
在脱欧后不受影响... would be unaffected by Brex--
[TV mutes]
[pensive music playing]
(安德鲁王子 杰弗里·爱泼斯坦 吉斯莱恩·麦克斯韦)
(吉斯莱恩·麦克斯韦:爱泼斯坦 女友与她和安德鲁王子的密切关系)
你好 我是杰·唐纳利 请留言 [Jae] Hi, this is Jae Donnelly. Leave a message.
你好 杰 我是萨姆 Hi, Jae. It's Sam.
有一张安德鲁的照片 Uh... this photo of... Andrew
是和吉斯莱恩·麦克斯韦在伦敦拍的 with Ghislaine Maxwell in London
还有一个女孩 当时17岁 and a girl, 17 at the time...
2001年 弗吉尼娅·罗伯茨 你有了解吗? Uh, 2001. Virginia Roberts. Do you know anything about it?
收到后请给我回个电话 谢谢 Um... Give me a call when you get this. Thanks.
[phone buzzes]
(阿曼达·瑟斯克 你明天能来吗?)
(没问题!哪里?)
[alert whooshes]
天啊 Bloody hell.
拍一张自拍 [woman] I want a selfie.
好的 [chuckles] Okay. Okay.
我还要一个勺子 And a spoon.
[chuckles]
好的 再见 Okay, bye.
- 让我猜猜 - 什么? - [driver] Don't tell me. - What?
是希腊人菲尔吗? Is it Phil the Greek?
招风耳? Jugface?
我不能说 I can't say.
不可能是女王陛下 她的旗子没有升起 It can't be Her Majesty. Her flag's not up.
只要不是那个该死的“好色安迪”就行 Well, just as long as it's not that Randy fucking Andy.
[chuckles]
到了 Here we go.
[pensive music playing]
Whew!
谢谢 Thanks.
[sighs]
- 你好 早上好 - 早上好 - Hello. Morning. - Morning.
好 Yeah.
- 好的 - 谢谢 - Okay. - Thank you.
沿着这条路走 走到底他们会让你进去 Follow the path. They'll let you in at the top.
好的 很好 谢谢 Okay, great. Thanks.
[pensive music builds slowly]
下午好 [man] Good afternoon.
伯爵茶还是洋甘菊? [Amanda] Earl Grey or chamomile?
[chuckles, sighs]
我们丢了不少 [Amanda] We lose a fair few.
茶匙 - Teaspoons. - [both chuckle]
它们似乎就是 They just seem to
消失了 go.
我们把这视作好事 It's seen as a good thing.
- 这表明所有人都想要我们的东西 - 我们? - It means everybody wants a part of us. - Us?
我在这里已经很久了 [inhales] Well, I've been here for a long time.
这里就像我的家 哪天我们不再需要 额外预算购买茶匙... It's like family. The day we don't need to budget for extra teaspoons...
他可以谈谈这个吗? And... would he be prepared to talk about that?
白金汉宫的茶匙失窃现象? The theft of teaspoons from Buckingham Palace?
君主制的未来 女王死后 这意味着什么? The future of the monarchy. What it will mean when the Queen dies.
这个不能谈 [quietly] We don't talk about that.
太悲痛了?对母亲最爱的儿子来说? Too painful? For a favorite son?
[inhales sharply, exhales]
关于女王陛下 有一点很明确 One thing about Her Majesty,
她看人看得很准 she is a very good judge of character.
Mm.
那么...她是个什么样的人? So... what's she like?
- 谁? - 艾米莉 - Who? - Emily.
哦 她跑步 游泳 Oh, well, she runs... [chuckles]
She swims, she interviews.
她做采访
没人见过她吃东西 她是个女超人 Nobody's ever seen her eat. She's Superwoman.
- 还有圆珠笔 - 哈利·波特有魔杖 - And the Bic. - Harry Potter has his wand.
艾米莉·麦特莉丝有圆珠笔 Emily Maitlis has her Bic.
[Amanda chuckles softly]
安德鲁呢?他看人怎么样? And Andrew? How's his judge of character?
他是个非常忠诚的朋友 He's a... a very loyal friend.
有时候就是太忠诚了 Too loyal for his own good sometimes.
吉斯莱恩·麦克斯韦 Ghislaine Maxwell.
[elevator dings]
她是他的好友 是的 - She was a good friend, yes. - Mm-hmm.
直奔主题啊 Straight to the point.
已经闲聊过了 There was some small talk,
但我们都是大忙人 我们都清楚 此次会面的目的 阿曼达 but we're both busy women, and we both know why we're here, Amanda.
你想喝点带劲的吗? [whispers] Do you want to get a real drink?
[chuckles]
- [elevator dings] - [pensive music plays]
阿曼达? Amanda?
她出去了 Uh... she's out.
和萨姆·麦卡利斯特一起 With Sam McAlister.
谁啊? Who?
你觉得你对我有怎样的了解 萨姆? What do you think you know about me, Sam?
[inhales deeply]
我知道你以前从事银行业 I know you come from banking.
是个单身妈妈 A single mum.
我知道你做这份工作七年了 I know that you've been doing this job for seven years,
你有一个始终无法解决的问题 and you have a problem that won't go away.
还有 我知道你来这里 And I know that you're here
没带上杰森·斯坦 and Jason Stein isn't.
或者只是看看不同的选择 Or we're just looking at options.
或者是这个 - Or that. - [both laugh]
- [phone buzzing] - [Amanda] Oh...
(约克公爵 给我来电话) Uh...
抱歉 是安德鲁 他需要我 Sorry, it's Andrew. He needs me.
我只想真诚地跟你相处 阿曼达 Um, I'm only trying to be honest with you, Amanda.
我一直都是 I always am.
你也知道不可能只聊龙门创将 And you know it can't just be Pitch.
就像我之前说的 如果不清楚 这一点的话 你不会来这里 And like I said before, you wouldn't be here talking to Newsnight
跟《新闻之夜》的人谈话 if you didn't already know that.
但我不是在跟《新闻之夜》谈 萨姆 [inhales sharply] But I'm not talking to Newsnight, Sam.
我在跟你谈 I'm talking to you.
我们是有红线的 And there is a red line.
[melancholy music playing]
感谢你过来见我 Thank you for meeting.
你也会喜欢的 [Andrew] You'll like this too. This is moments
就在这之前 我就差几厘米
after I've just narrowly been missed by inches by an Exocet missile.
就被飞鱼导弹击中了
它一过来 我就躲开 然后落地 And as soon as it came, I'd...
Out of the way, and I'd come down. I'd do that two times a day.
一般一天要经历两次
一定很可怕吧 [woman] Must have been terrifying moments.
有可怕的时候 Oh, some of the worst.
也有好的时候 And some of the best.
那些人 他们是真的了解我 你知道吗? Those... Those... Those men,
they... they-they really knew me, you know?
在战争中 你没法跟人隐瞒什么 Well, there's no hiding in war.
跟你同船的人 From your shipmates. Um...
跟你自己 From yourself.
你有思念吗? Do you ever miss it?
什么 战争? What, war?
阿根廷人都比你们记者好对付多了 The Argies were a lot less trouble than your lot.
[laughter]
来吧 开始吧 我们去参观 Come on. Let's go for it. Let's do the tour.
《新闻之夜》? [Jason] Newsnight? Newsnight?!
你看到了 You saw that.
你看不出他跟人相处得有多好吗? Can't... Can't you see how good he is with people?
他们跟他在一起的时候 有多喜欢他啊 How they like him when they spend time with him?
- 这都是设计好的 阿曼达 - 这是魅力 - That's the plan, Amanda. - Look, it's called charm.
杰森 你必须身临其境地去感受它 Jason, you have to be in the room with it to feel it.
你就不该去见 A meeting you shouldn't have taken.
尤其是没带上我 Especially without me.
这是我的工作 This is my job.
别 现在不行 弗雷迪 No, not now, Freddy.
- 那顿流质午餐要报销吗? - 就差一点了 - Did the liquid lunch go on the BBC tab? - [sighs] I was so close.
你真以为你有特殊威力 能唬住白金汉宫公关那种猛兽吗? Really? Think you have special powers over a big beast like Buckingham Palace Comms?
只有我们两个人 没有其他人 It was just the two of us. Nobody else.
- 就差一点就可以了 - 可以什么? - And we were so close. - To what?
做采访 爱泼斯坦的事还没结束 An interview. This Epstein story isn't going away.
吉斯莱恩·麦克斯韦 爱泼斯坦的女友 是安德鲁的老朋友 Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's girlfriend, is one of Andrew's oldest friends.
但他们不会跟我们说这些的 对吧? Then they're not gonna talk to us about it, are they?
萨姆 这是名人的八卦 不是《新闻之夜》 Sam, it's celebrity fluff, not Newsnight.
这不是八卦 这就是我们该做的内容 [Sam] It's not fluff. It's exactly what we should be doing.
抱歉 但我们没时间让你花一整天 I'm sorry, but we don't have time for you to spend
去调查一个我们永远得不到的新闻 再也没有了 a whole day chasing a story that we're never gonna get. Not anymore.
我们应该是一个团队 你怎么总是搞得那么特殊? We're meant to be a team. Why do you think you're so special?
这就是我们该做的事 This is the work.
好吗?今天做的事也是该做的 All right? Today was the work because this story is only going to get bigger.
因为这个事情只会越来越大
到那时候 我们不想成为 第一个往外打电话的人 And when it does, we don't wanna be the first people making the call.
我们要成为别人首先联系的人 如果我... We wanna be the first people they call. And if I--
如果我不能以正确的方式 去完成我的工作 If I can't do my job the way it needs to be done,
那我觉得我做不了了 then I don't think I can do this anymore.
(老大哥在看着你)
(BBC 萨姆 ·麦卡利斯特)
[energetic music playing]
哦 萨米 Oh, Sammy.
[breathes deeply]
[pensive music playing]
请在提示音后留言 [automated voice] Please leave a message after the tone.
你好 埃斯米 我是萨姆 Hi, Esme. It's Sam.
Um...
我打给你是因为... I was just calling...
你可以... Uh, could you...
你听到后可以给我回个电话吗? 很重要 谢谢 再见 Could you call me back when you get this? It's important. Thanks, bye.
你没事吧? You all right?
你知道吗?我有一半的时间 D'you know, I spend half my time
无比担心我会被开除 just absolutely terrified of getting sacked,
剩下的时间希望他们能一了百了 and the rest of it wishing they'd get it over with.
他们为什么不能接纳我? Why don't they see me as one of them?
- 也许有更轻松的地方 - 我不想要轻松 妈妈 我... - Maybe there's somewhere easier. - I don't want it to be easy, Mum. I just...
[footsteps approaching]
我想要有价值 I just want it to matter.
[door shuts]
卢卡斯! [inhales] Lucas!
- 晚安 - 晚安 - Mmm... Night-night. - Night-night. Night-night. [kisses]
- 晚安 - 晚安 - Night, you. - Night.
[kisses]
嗯 她说什么?你说了什么? Yeah. And what did she say? What did you say?
你好 - Hello. - [chuckles]
她说什么? What did she say?
我以为她没听到我说话 但她听到了 然后... Well, I thought maybe she hadn't heard me. But she did. And--
好的 等一下 亲爱的 - [musical ringtone playing] - Yeah. Oh, one minute, darling. Wait.
等一下 稍等
One second. Hang on.
我没成功 爱泼斯坦这条路走不通 I couldn't make it work. Epstein's a no-go.
现在可以走通了 Well, not anymore.
- 什么意思? - 我在特特伯勒 一个私人机场 - What do you mean? - I'm at Teterboro. A private airfield.
我们的朋友杰弗里乘坐的飞机 将在一小时后降落 Our friend Jeffrey's plane is due to land in the next hour.
联邦调查局正等着呢 And the FBI are waiting.
妈妈!你能不能... - Mum! Can you... - [car alarm chirps]
再跟卢卡斯待一个小时?可以吗? Can you stay one more hour with Lucas? That all right?
- 当然可以 - 我会在他睡觉前回来 - Yeah, of course. - I'll be back before he goes to bed.
不着急 一会儿见 [Sam's mum] Take your time. See you later.
(埃斯米·雷恩) [musical ringtone playing]
你好? Hello?
你给我打电话了? You called me.
你说有重要的事 You said it was important.
杰弗里·爱泼斯坦 将在今晚被逮捕 性贩运 Jeffrey Epstein is being arrested tonight. Sex trafficking.
埃斯米?你还在吗? Esme? Are you there?
所以这已经是新闻报道了 So it's a news story now.
对 我们开始向白金汉宫施压吧 Right, let's start pushing the Palace.
谢谢 Thanks. [energetic music playing]
Whew!
好了 All right.
[door buzzes]
一切都变了 Everything's changed.
你随时可能会接到一个电话 Any moment now, you are going to get a phone call.
之后还会有更多 After that, a hundred more.
在海啸来临之前 我们运气好的话可能还有几小时 We have a few hours, at best, before the tsunami hits.
- 我觉得我们要利用好这些时间 - 什么改变了? - I thought we could use it, both of us. - What has changed?
联邦调查局随时都会 去杰弗里·爱泼斯坦家里搜查 The FBI are raiding Jeffrey Epstein's home any moment now.
你的红线要守不住了 阿曼达 This red line of yours isn't going to hold, Amanda.
跟恋童癖做朋友 你就不能再说“无可奉告” You can't go "no comment" on being friends with a pedophile
还指望所有人都喜欢你 无论你是什么身份 and expect everyone to love you, whoever you are.
- 我怎么知道我能相信你? - 你不知道 - How do I know I can trust you? - You don't.
你也不需要 因为我会给你一个小时时间 And you don't have to because I can give you an hour.
好吗?然后取决于他 Yeah? And then it's up to him. Not you.
不是你 不是我 是他
Not me. Him.
[exhales]
一小时的电视节目 可以改变一切 An hour of television can change everything.
就像魔法一样 It's like magic.
美国金融家 杰弗里·爱泼斯坦 今日被捕 [newswoman] US financier Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested today
涉嫌的指控为贩卖人口进行性交易 on federal sex trafficking charges.
这位名誉扫地的亿万富翁 被指控贩卖了数十名未成年少女 The disgraced billionaire has been accused of trafficking dozens of underage girls.
他此前曾在2008年因认罪而被定罪 He was previously convicted in 2008
罪名为唆使未成年人卖淫 after pleading guilty to soliciting a minor for prostitution.
多少次了? How many times?
...毫无疑问 将会聚焦于爱泼斯坦先生与... ...will no doubt focus on Mr. Epstein's friendship...
多少次了? How many times?
...约克公爵的友谊 对方此前已宣称断绝... ...the Duke of York, who previously claimed to have cut...
对不起 I'm sorry.
...与爱泼斯坦的一切联系 ...all ties with Epstein in 2010.
[sighs]
他该放在哪里? 很简单的问题 他该放哪里? Where does he go? Simple question, where does he go?
[scoffs]
给你个提示 A clue.
他是有袋动物 He's a marsupial.
老鼠的鼠 Roo. As in Kanga.
连在一起 是什么? Put them together. What do you get?
- 鼠袋 - 哦 你走吧 - Rookanga. - Oh, go away.
快走! Go away!
[tense music playing]
[indistinct shouting intensifies]
他们承认了公爵和爱泼斯坦先生 They have acknowledged the duke's friendship with Mr. Epstein in the past.
往日的交情 他们表示...
They state that...
如果首相需要向选民传递这个信息 [Sam] If the prime minister needs to get this message across to voters,
你得向我们证明有人真的听到了 you're going to need to send us someone people have actually heard of,
而且不能只说了一两个字... 的话... who can form sentences using more than just single-syllable... words...
...现在带来最新消息 ...now has the very latest news.
杰弗里·爱泼斯坦于三周前被捕 The investigation surrounding Jeffrey Epstein's arrest
指控其涉嫌未成年人性犯罪 three weeks ago for child sex offenses
该案的调查范围今日扩大至他的朋友 约克公爵安德鲁王子 has today widened to include his friend Prince Andrew, the Duke of York,
原因是2015年一起案件中 被压下来的文件现已曝光 as previously suppressed documents from a case in 2015 come to light.
弗吉尼娅·朱弗雷 指控发生时17岁 Virginia Giuffre, 17 at the time of the allegations,
在最近披露的文件中 她声称与约克公爵发生性关系 claims in newly released documents that she had sex with the Duke of York
在三个不同的场合 on three separate occasions.
两次在伦敦 一次在爱泼斯坦 在纽约的家里 Twice in London, and once in Mr. Epstein's home in New York.
虽然白金汉宫继续否认 [female reporter] While Buckingham Palace continue to deny
这些针对约克公爵的最新指控 these latest allegations against the Duke of York,
弗吉尼娅·朱弗雷 在曼哈顿法院外对记者说... Virginia Giuffre told reporters outside a court in Manhattan...
这不是真的 [scoffs]
It's not true.
全都是假的 I mean, none of it is true.
...安德鲁日益加深的危机... - ...the deepening crisis surrounding Andrew... - [scoffs]
我去寄宿学校的那天早上... The morning I went away to boarding school...
妈妈给我梳了头 Mummy combed my hair.
是那种龟甲梳 你记得那种吗? It was one of those tortoiseshell combs. Remember those?
我现在还能感觉到 在我的头上摩擦的感觉 I can feel it now, scraping across my head.
很痛 但我... It hurt, but I... [sighs]
但我不希望它停下来 But I didn't want it to stop.
杰森说什么都不会改变 So Jason says... n-nothing changes.
我们保持镇定 We... hold our nerve.
你也是这么想的吗? Is that what you think?
我们静观其变吧 Let's see how it plays out.
[exhales sharply]
我本该跟妈妈讨论我的60岁生日的 I'm supposed to be talking to Mummy about my 60th birthday.
她有很隆重的安排 She's got big plans.
[tense warbling music builds slowly]
一个月前被捕的爱泼斯坦先生 [anchor 1] Mr. Epstein, arrested just over a month ago,
于今早被发现身亡 was found dead this morning
死于他被关押的牢房... in his cell at the Metropolitan...
他昔日的朋友包括 比尔·克林顿 安德鲁王子... [anchor 2] He once counted among his friends Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew...
他心脏骤停 宣告死亡... [anchor 3] He was in cardiac arrest and pronounced dead...
...被指控贩卖数十名女性进行性交易... [anchor 4] ...charged on trafficking dozens of girls for sex...
...六名未成年受害者... - [anchor 5] ...six underage victims... - [anchor 6] ...involving underage girls...
...包含未成年女性...
...包括唐纳德·特朗普 喜欢漂亮女性... [anchor 7] ...including Donald Trump, liked beautiful women...
...皇室断然否认 [anchor 8] ...categorically denied by the royal family.
世界各地 每家报纸 新闻频道的每档节目 [Esme] All across the world, every paper, every show on every news channel,
这是头条 这是唯一的头条 this is the story. The only story.
- 早上好 - 早上好 - Morning. - Morning.
萨姆 我们的节目也要有 Sam, I want it for us.
《新闻之夜》 For Newsnight.
你比任何人都捷足先登 You got your foot in the door before anyone else.
[phone buzzing]
阿曼达 你好 我是萨姆·麦卡利斯特 [Sam] Amanda. Hi, it's Sam McAlister.
请打给我 Please call me.
如果你准备好了 我们随时恭候 When you're ready to talk, we're here.
[Amanda sighs]
你在家的最后一天女王陛下为你梳头 Her Majesty combing your hair on your last morning at home...
怎么了? Yes?
你记得并且说起了这事 [Amanda] You remembering it and talking about it...
是啊 Yes?
我觉得这其中是有原因的 [Amanda] I think there's a reason for that.
我想是因为你希望重新开始 I think you want your future back.
我们都是如此 We both do.
请让我帮你 Let me help you.
...和爱泼斯坦的关系会继续下去 [man on TV] ...relationship with Epstein will persist.
当下 公爵和白金汉宫 当然迫切地希望能翻篇 Now, of course, the duke, the Palace are desperate to move on from this issue,
但从今天的新闻来看 but with today's news,
这个目标似乎越来越遥远 the prospect of that seems further away than ever.
不作任何承诺 也不保证什么 No commitments, no promises.
- 但是? - 他们同意见面了 - [Esme] But? - They've agreed to meet.
好 这件事不可外露 只有我们四人知道 Right. This stays in this room, just the four of us.
哪怕是见面的消息被泄露了 他们都有可能被吓退 If it leaks that we're even meeting, they could get spooked.
萨姆 有什么需要尽管提 Sam, whatever you need, it's yours.
还真是有一个 我想会有很大的帮助 Actually, there was one thing. I think it will help a lot.
说吧 [Esme] Name it.
艾米莉 Emily.
[upbeat music plays]
我从没被偷偷带进皇宫里过 I've never been smuggled into a palace before.
[overlapping chatter]
轻松点 [Stewart] Keep it light.
我们不能吓跑他 - [Sam] Mm. - We don't scare him off.
我们和善一点 We, uh... we play nice.
表示出尊重 Be respectful.
别紧张 我能搞定 Relax, I've got this.
跟女王的儿子谈论他和性罪犯的交情 How difficult can it be talking to the Queen's son
这有何难呢? about his friendship with a convicted sex offender?
[sighs]
早上好 Good morning.
大家好 [Andrew] Hello, everyone.
希望你们不介意 我带了一个人来 I hope you don't mind, I brought someone along.
- 你们好 - 这是我女儿碧翠丝 - Hello. - You know my daughter Beatrice.
你好 Hello.
我不能告诉你我会问哪些问题 [Emily] I can't tell you what the questions will be
因为我自己都还不知道 because I don't know myself yet.
但等我知道了... But when I do know...
我还是不能告诉你 I still won't tell you.
[light chuckling]
但不会是为难人的问题 But... they will be fair.
不会给你设陷阱 我保证 And no "gotchas," I promise.
这么肯定? "Will be"?
我想你说的是假如吧 "Would be," I think you mean.
假如我们同意的话 Were we to agree to do this.
龙门创将? And Pitch@Palace?
当然 我们会聊到这个 We'll discuss that, of course.
但是...你跟我一样清楚 But... you know as well as I do,
这不是我们来这里的原因 that's not why we're here.
爱泼斯坦 Epstein.
这需要坦诚 This is about honesty.
两边都需要 On both sides.
如果我要接受采访 我只会做一次 If I do an interview, it will only be one.
问题是 为什么是你? Uh, the question is, why you?
斯图尔特? - [Emily] Stewart? - Well, um, Newsnight is forensic.
《新闻之夜》是讲事实的
很犀利 但绝不会煽情 艾米莉本人也是这样 Um, it's tough, but never sensational. And so is Emily.
- 而且她是个女性 - 而且她是个女性 - And she's a woman. - And she's a woman.
她就在这里呢 And she's here.
[light chuckling]
Um... [sighs deeply]
听着 在我的立场上 Look, in my position,
说了这么多 with everything that's been, um... said,
结合当下的情况 我... and with the world as it is now, I...
难以想象我要如何扭转局势 It's hard to imagine how I can turn it around. Frankly. I mean...
有很多人告诉我 过来这里就是个错误
I... I have a lot of people telling me it's a mistake even being in this room.
但你还是来了 [Sam] And yet here you are.
有一点我可以向你保证 And I can promise you one thing.
保持沉默是无法扭转局面的 You can't turn it around by staying silent.
你知道别人怎么看你 是吧? You know how people see you, don't you?
那你...具体说说呢? Why don't you... spell it out?
好色安迪 Randy Andy.
航空里程安迪 Air Miles Andy.
这事关性 女孩 This is sex, and girls,
飞机 私人岛屿和金钱 and planes and private islands and money.
恕我直言 公众看到这些事 And, with respect, the public see these stories,
他们会想:“嗯 我相信” and they think, "Yep, I can believe that."
这不是对你的名誉有不好的影响 This isn't bad for your brand.
这就是你的名誉本身 This is your brand.
“恕我直言”? "With respect"?
[laughing]
Well...
还真是够直的 Sort of got a point. [laughs]
听着 我明白 [Sam] Listen, I get it.
“不抱怨 不解释” 但恐怕这样的日子已经过去了 "Never complain, never explain." But I'm afraid those days are over.
是的 人人都能发声 Yes, everyone has a voice now.
社交媒体 脸书 Social media. Facebook.
推特 每个人都有发表言论的地方 Twitter. Everyone's having their say,
他们发表的关于你的言论 and what they're saying about you
比我刚说的 可要...过分多了 is a lot... stronger than anything I just said.
- 你看推特吗? - 不 我不在意这些 - Have you seen Twitter? - No, I don't, uh, pay attention to that.
我看 [Beatrice] I do.
比她说的糟糕太多了 A lot worse than what she said.
[pensive music builds slowly]
所以我想说的是 局面就是这样 So I'm just saying that's the story,
它不会改变 and it doesn't change
除非你主动去改变它 unless you change it,
除非你给我们一个不同的故事 unless you tell us a different story.
你的故事 Your story.
你亲自讲述 In your voice.
萨姆说得对 [Emily] Sam's right.
也许 I mean,
我不会说得这么直白 但是... I might not have said it quite so bluntly, but...
[Andrew] Well... [sighs]
我不明白为什么大家这么热衷于 我和杰弗里·爱泼斯坦的交情 I don't understand why everyone's obsessed with my friendship with Jeffrey Epstein.
我明明跟吉米·萨维尔更好 I knew Jimmy Savile so much better.
[laughs] Um...
非常感谢 见到你们很高兴 Thank you very much. Very nice to meet you.
我想在联邦宴会前 过去跟妈妈打个招呼 Um, should we pop up and say hello to Mummy before the Commonwealth banquet?
没完没啊 对吧? Never ends, does it?
阿曼达会联系你们 告诉你们最终决定 Um, Amanda will be in touch, one way or another.
她的妈妈还是他的妈妈? - [Emily] Her mummy or his mummy? - [Sam] Fergie's not here.
菲姬不在
她去国外了 She's abroad.
妈妈可能会不同意 Mummy might block it.
是啊 Yeah.
老天 我累了 Christ, I'm tired.
刚才相当厉害啊 萨米 干得好 Pretty punchy in there, Sammy.
Nice work.
什么条件 阿曼达? [Jason] Conditions, Amanda?
你们必须讨论了条件 You... You discussed conditions.
我什么都没同意 I... I didn't agree to anything.
不是那样的 It... It's not like that.
阿曼达 Amanda.
条件是什么? What conditions?
唯一重要的是他有机会跟大家说话 The only thing that matters is that he is given the space to talk to us.
大家? "Us"?
[chuckles, sighs]
我做不到 I can't do this.
不行 - Mm. - No.
我不参与了 I'm out.
我理解 I understand.
[scoffs]
如果他们同意做采访 If they agree, and if it happens,
时间是60分钟 it's 60 minutes.
“如果”?有谁能阻拦我们吗? "If it happens"? What could stop us?
更重要的东西 这可是皇室和BBC Something high up. This is the royal family and the BBC.
人们会开始讨论国家的利益 可不能犯错误 People start talking about the national interest and make no mistake,
如果我们的采访成功落地 就会成为各大报刊的头条 if we get this, and we pull it off, it will be front page of every paper.
但如果我们搞糟了 出错了 But if we get it wrong, if we make mistakes,
没有把调子把握好 if we don't get the tone right,
上头条的就不是他 是我们了 the story won't be him. It'll be us.
不 不会的 No, it won't.
会是我 It'll be me.
[pensive music plays]
[footsteps approaching]
[sighs deeply]
她始终是对的 是吗? She's always right, isn't she?
是的 Always.
她说什么? What did she say?
她相信我的判断 She trusts my judgment.
[musical ringtone playing]
(阿曼达·瑟斯克)
太好了 [Sam] Great.
阿曼达·瑟斯克打来电话 Amanda Thirsk called.
周四下午两点 白金汉宫 Thursday, 2:00 p.m. The Palace.
[all breathing deeply]
开工了 We're on.
还有70个小时 艾米莉 你跟我一起 Got 70 hours. Emily, you're spending them with me.
斯图尔特 你是制片人 萨姆 哪里有需要你去哪里 Stewart, you're producing. Sam, anyone who needs you, gets you.
请问弗兰在吗? Yes, is Fran there?
是的 相当紧急 Yes, extremely urgent.
和总监一起?哪部歌剧? With the director-general? Which opera?
[woman singing opera in distance]
结束后 [Fran] When it's done,
在总监和我看过之前 不能让任何人看到剪辑版本 nobody sees the cut until the DG and I have seen it.
[opera singing continues]
很高兴见到你们 Lovely to see you both.
托尼还在考虑中 Tony's keeping his options open.
好吧 胖女士唱完才能结束 Well, it's not over till the fat lady sings.
重点是 [Esme] So the question is,
我们想要什么? what are we looking for?
自我坦白? A confession?
一连串的否认? String of denials?
道歉? An apology?
除非他想坐牢 否则不会坦白的 No way he's confessing unless he wants to go to jail,
道歉也不行 所以我们用事实来压他 and we're not settling for an apology, so we go after him hard with the facts.
好吧 我们从哪里开始? - Fine. So where do we start? - [Freddy] Mm.
2006年7月15日 杰弗里·爱泼斯坦 吉斯莱恩·麦克斯韦 July 15th, 2006. Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and Harvey Weinstein
以及哈维·韦恩斯坦 参加了 碧翠丝的维多利亚主题的18岁生日会 are at Beatrice's Victorian-themed 18th birthday party.
爱泼斯坦身穿金色纽扣的白衣 胸前挂满勋章 Epstein wore white with gold buttons and a chestful of medals.
他在佛罗里达的家刚刚被警方搜查 His Florida home had just been raided by police.
抱歉 一下子说了太多 Sorry, that's a lot to take in, in one go.
2006年7月15日 July 15th, 2006,
爱泼斯坦 麦克斯韦和哈维·韦恩斯坦 Epstein, Maxwell, and Harvey Weinstein
都参加了 碧翠丝的维多利亚主题18岁生日会 are all at Beatrice's Victorian-themed 18th birthday party.
爱泼斯坦身穿金色纽扣的白衣 胸前挂满勋章 Epstein wore white with gold buttons and a chestful of medals.
他在佛罗里达的家刚刚被警方搜查 His Florida home had just been raided by police.
抱歉 一下子说了太多 Sorry, that's a lot to take in, in one go.
[all laughing]
太棒了 无处可藏了 That is fantastic. Nowhere to hide.
安德鲁想让别人认为 他和吉斯莱恩的交情 [Freddy] Andrew's tried to make it seem his friendship with Ghislaine
是他跟爱泼斯坦有交集的主要原因 was the main reason he spent time with Epstein.
重点是 看起来她绝对是共谋 Problem is, it looks like she was absolutely complicit
参与了爱泼斯坦做的绝大部分事情 in so much of what Epstein was doing.
(政府证据)
这幅克林顿的画像... This painting of Clinton... That's the Lewinsky dress.
那是莱文斯基的裙子
是的 爱泼斯坦把它挂在了墙上 [Freddy] Yep. Epstein had it on his wall.
吊灯上挂着一个真人大小的裸体娃娃 There was a life-sized naked doll hanging from a chandelier.
有一间按摩室 A massage room.
形状像生殖器的肥皂 Soap shaped like genitalia.
但凡你跟爱泼斯坦走得近一些 你不可能不知道 You couldn't be anywhere near Epstein and not know.
如果你要工作 卢卡斯可以留在这边过夜 [Sam's mum] You know Lucas can stay here tonight if you have to work.
不用了 没事 反正他们也不需要我 No, it's fine. They don't need me anyway.
这我绝对不信 I don't believe that for a second.
那他们为什么不叫我留下来? Then why didn't they ask me to stay, Mum?
是我搞定的采访 但他们还是不让我参与 I bring in the interview, and they still don't want me in the room.
萨姆 你知道这是怎么一回事 Sam, you know how this works.
像我们这样的人 不会等别人来问 People like us, we don't wait to be asked.
该做的事情 我们主动会去做 We do what we have to do.
他们叫你去找安德鲁王子了吗? Did they ask you to go after Prince Andrew?
- 没有 - 没有 他们没叫 - No. - No, they didn't.
但你还是去了 But you did.
记住了 Remember that.
还有 这次采访 And this interview,
重要吗? does it matter?
对 很重要 Yeah, it matters.
好了 你懂了 Well, there you go, then.
[footsteps in lobby]
爱你 妈妈 Love you, Mum. [chuckles softly]
我也爱你 亲爱的 I love you too, sweetheart.
[sniffs]
[gentle music builds slowly]
[sighs deeply]
[musical ringtone playing]
你好 Hello.
萨姆 [Amanda] Sam. Uh...
希望不会太早 I hope it's not too early.
还有29日 你有6月17日的所有资料吗? [Esme] And the 29th. And you've got, what, everything from the 17th of June?
没错 [Freddy] That's right.
- 你能存到U盘里吗? - 可以 - Can you put those on a memory stick? - Yeah.
阿曼达来电话了 [Sam] Amanda called.
她要取消吗? Is she pulling the plug?
南客厅 South Drawing Room.
中间放两把椅子 间隔1.8米 Two chairs in the middle of the floor. Six feet apart.
跟个西部片一样 It's like a western.
像西部片里的枪战 Like a gunfight in a western.
[tense music builds slowly]
好了 - Right. - Huh.
准备好了吗? All set?
艾米莉 [Esme] Emily.
怎么了? What's wrong?
如果他道歉了呢? What if he just apologizes?
如果我摆出所有事实 What if I lay out all the facts,
他什么都不承认 但道歉了 he doesn't admit to anything, but he does say sorry?
如果他是好人呢 埃斯米? What if he's good, Esme?
那这就是很棒的电视节目 Then it'll be great television.
我不是因为这个才做的 Well, that's not why I'm doing it.
那是为什么? Well, why are you doing it?
莫尼卡·莱文斯基 Monica Lewinsky.
我觉得我让女性失望了 没有问克林顿关于她的事 I feel like I let women down by not asking Clinton about her.
那个女人确实是自愿发生性关系的 Sex with that woman was actually consensual.
她才21岁 他是美国总统 She was 21. He was the president of the United States.
他开始了新生活 她却被恶毒的厌女情绪迫害几十年 He got his life back. She got decades of vicious misogyny.
如果他是好人 如果他说 为那些女孩的遭遇感到抱歉 If he's good, if he's saying sorry for what these girls went through,
那就进一步问他 除了抱歉 是否还觉得自己有责任 then... lean in and ask him if he feels responsible as well as sorry.
如果说没有呢? [Emily] What if he says no?
用照片再次施压 拿给他看 这里 Push again, with the photograph. Show him the picture. Here.
谢谢 Here.
但这张照片里的人 就是你 But this photograph... is you.
我不认为我在那里 I don't believe I was ever there,
不认为我曾经去过楼上 that I ever even went upstairs in that house.
您应该是“不记得” 殿下 Um... You don't recollect, Your Royal Highness.
对 没错 Yes, of course.
所以这是假的? So... it's a fake?
正如我所说 [Andrew] As I say,
我完全不记得去过那里 I have no recollection of ever having been there
或曾经见过那个女人 or even meeting that woman.
是罗伯茨女士 千万别说“那个女人” Ms. Roberts. Please don't ever say "that woman."
千万别 Ever.
- 哦 真要命了 - 我知道这很难 - Oh, for heaven's sake. - I understand this is difficult.
还有 当然了 And, of course,
在那一天 您不可能在那边 对吗? you couldn't have been there on that date, correct?
Hm.
你否认了很多次 You have denied, many times,
你见过弗吉尼娅·朱弗雷 having even met Virginia Giuffre.
你否认了她极其严重的指控 You have denied her extremely serious allegations
即她是被迫与你发生性关系 that she was forced to have sex with you
当时她年仅17岁 when she was just 17 years old.
要么是你否认了 Now, either this happened
要么是她撒谎 or she's lying.
是哪一个? Which is it?
[exhales]
成了 太棒了 Bingo. Brilliant.
我们揪住他了 We got him.
萨姆 Sam.
有什么问题吗? Tell me.
没什么 Nothing.
跟我说说吧 Tell me.
去做采访的是我 不是你 I'm going in there. You're not.
如果你有想法 我想听 If you have something to say, I want to hear it.
[inhales deeply, sighs]
就是 我们应该给他空间和时间 It's just we offered him... space and time.
我们给他的是一次采访 We offered him an interview.
这样的男人讨厌自己不被倾听 Men like that hate it when they're not heard.
他希望被人倾听 He'll want to be heard.
所以最大的问题是 我该穿什么? So the really big question... is what do I wear?
[laughter]
黑裙子 Black dress.
简单 优雅 Simple, elegant.
赫本/麦特莉丝 Hepburn/Maitlis.
我的膝盖 My knees.
所有电视人里 你的膝盖是最美的 You've got the best knees on TV.
我不想让别人看我的膝盖 I don't want people looking at my knees.
你是不想让他看你的膝盖 我们却希望他看 You don't want him looking at your knees. Actually, we do want him looking.
那样会有很好的电视效果 - That would be good TV. - [chuckling]
[exhales deeply]
艾米莉? [Esme] Emily?
回家吧 Go home.
我希望你到了早上 能精神抖擞地出发 I want you raring to go in the morning.
2006年 [Emily] 2006.
爱泼斯坦因贩卖 年仅14岁的女孩而被定罪 Epstein was convicted of trafficking girls as young as 14.
但你又跟他保持了四年的关系 Yet you continued relations with him for another four years.
你依然... And yet you...
你依然保持跟他的交情 直到2010年 and yet you continued your friendship with him until 2010.
[tense music plays softly]
但你依然继续... [panting] And yet you continued...
穆迪! - [dog barks] - Moody!
[tense music builds slowly]
很好 就在这间房 穿过那里 That's great. Yeah, just in this room. All right. Through there.
穆迪! Moody!
- 请出示证件 小姐 - 好... - ID, please, miss. - Yeah, um...
她和我一起的 She's with me.
谢谢! Thanks!
谢谢 Thanks.
[sighs]
你要是追它们 永远都抓不到 You chase them, you'll never catch them.
等它们准备好过来了 你已经不在了 And then when they're ready to come, you won't be there.
如果艾米莉对他做了我认为 她会做的事 他极有可能直接走人 He might walk out. If Emily's doing to him what I think, it's a strong possibility.
如果他走了 拍下来 If he does, film it.
- 不管他做什么 不要停止拍摄 - 斯图尔特 - Whatever he does, do not stop filming. - Stewart.
好吧 - Right. - Um...
殿下 Your Royal Highness.
确定吗? [Andrew] Sure about this?
来一点... Little bit, um...
上点粉吗 殿下? [woman] A bit of powder, Your Royal Highness?
- 你叫什么名字? - 凯特 - Sure. What's your name? - Cat.
- 还好吗?第一个问题 - 好 - Okay? First question. - Yeah.
我希望它能定下基调 开门见山 “杰弗里·爱泼斯坦侵害未成年人 I want it to set the tone. Straight in. "Jeffrey Epstein was a child abuser."
你跟他待在一起时 你就知道了 对吗?” "You knew that when you went to stay with him, didn't you?"
只有一个答案 他已经无处可逃了 Only one answer to that. Already he's got nowhere to go.
不行 这个需要放到另一边 [Andrew] No, this needs to be on the other side.
它穿过了椅子的另一边 It's going through the opposite edge of the chair.
这样就不会太突出 That way, it won't stick out.
- 天啊 - 不 等一下 - Oh God. - No, wait.
随他去吧 我们希望他能自在一点 Let him be. We want him to be comfortable.
裤子 Trousers.
[chuckles]
[bell ringing]
[Andrew grunts]
[stark, pensive music plays]
就... Just, uh...
就...自在一点 Just... be yourself.
[Sam clears throat]
不太妙 [Sam] That's not great.
唐纳·麦凯布 他是女王新闻办公室的人 Donal McCabe. He's from the Queen's press office.
我们没同意这么做 对吗? [Stewart] We didn't agree to that, did we?
跟女王吗? [Sam] With the Queen?
没有 但试试看跟她说吧 No. But by all means, take it up with her.
[chuckles lightly]
声速测试 [woman] Sound speed.
[clock ticking]
准备就绪 [man] Set.
殿下 Your Royal Highness.
我们是在极不寻常的情况下 We've come to Buckingham Palace
来到白金汉宫 in highly unusual circumstances.
通常我们会讨论您的工作 您的职责 Normally, we'd be discussing your work...
- [Andrew] Mm. - ...your duty.
我们稍后也会谈到 We'll come on to that.
但今天 But today,
您首次决定公开谈一谈 you've chosen to speak out for the first time.
您为什么决定现在谈? Why have you decided to talk now?
因为谈论爱泼斯坦先生 Because there is no good time
以及所有关联的一切 to talk about, um... Mr. Epstein
哪有什么好时机 and all things associated.
而我们跟《新闻之夜》 也已经沟通了一段时间 And we've been talking to Newsnight for some time
围绕我正在做的工作想做点什么 about, um, doing something around the work that I was doing.
很遗憾 我们一直没能 And unfortunately, we've just not been able
找到适合双方的时间 直到现在 to fit into either your schedule or my schedule until now... now.
这是个非常好的机会 我很高兴能见到你 Actually, it's a very good opportunity. I'm delighted to be able to see you today.
如您所说 As you say,
这一切都需要追溯到 您与杰弗里·爱泼斯坦的友谊 it all goes back to your friendship with Jeffrey Epstein.
Hmm.
你们是怎么成为朋友的? How did you first become friends?
是怎么认识的? How did you meet?
我是通过他女朋友认识的 Well, I met through his girlfriend.
Um...
1999年 Back in 1999.
太开放了 太简单了 [whispers] It's too open. It's too easy.
我在大学就认识吉斯莱恩了 在英国 [Andrew] I'd known Ghislaine since university. In the UK.
我没有花很长时间... And, um, I didn't spend much time...
我想一年也就见他一两次 最多三次 I suppose I saw him once or twice a year, perhaps maximum three times a year,
而且...很经常地 如果我在美国 处理事情 and... quite often, um, if I was in the United States and doing things,
他不在 他会说 and he wasn't there, he'd say,
“过来我这边吧 您可以用我的房子” "Why don't you come and use my houses?"
然后我说:“非常感谢你” And I said, "Thank you very much indeed."
但要说我们是多么亲密的朋友 就有点牵强了 But it would be... a considerable stretch to say that we were very close friends.
但他确实有那种非常了不起的能力 But he had the most extraordinary ability
可以把...把了不起的人聚在一起 to, um... to bring... extraordinary people together.
这一点我记得很清楚 And that's the bit that I remember.
去参加晚宴 在那里你可以认识... It's going to dinner parties where you would meet...
她在干什么? What's she doing?
...学者 政客... ...academics, politicians...
她在让他说 She's letting him talk.
那是一个国际化的群体 我称之为... [Andrew] It was a cosmopolitan group of what I would call--
您信任他吗? Did you trust him?
[hesitates] Um...
是的 我想应该是的 Yes, I think I probably did,
但是... but, um...
我交朋友 Obviously, I don't go into... um, a friendship
很明白该寻求些什么 如果你懂我的意思 looking for the... the wrong thing, if you understand what I mean.
我是个喜欢交朋友的人 I... I'm an engaging person.
我希望能有很多朋友 I want to be able to engage.
您曾经为爱泼斯坦的女友 吉斯莱恩·麦克斯韦 Am I right in thinking you threw a birthday party
在桑德林汉姆举办生日会 我说得对吗? for Epstein's girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell, at Sandringham?
不对 那个周末我们去狩猎了 No, it was a shooting weekend.
狩猎? A shooting weekend?
是的 就是一次单纯的周末狩猎 Yes, just a straightforward... straightforward shooting weekend.
但在那段时间 当他作客温莎城堡 But during these times that he was a guest at Windsor Castle,
- 在桑德林汉姆 一起狩猎... - 对 at Sandringham, this shooting weekend...
Yep.
现在我们知道 We now know... that he had been
他一直在贩卖年轻女性 从事性贩卖
procuring young girls... for sex trafficking.
我们现在才知道 We now know that.
在当时 At the time,
没有迹象表明 there was no indication,
我...或其他任何人都没察觉 to me... or anybody else,
他在做那种事 that that's what he was doing.
完全没有任何迹象 Absolutely no indication.
- [knocking] - [inhales]
爱泼斯坦飞机的飞行记录 Flight logs for Epstein's jet.
人称“洛丽塔快线” The, uh, quote "Lolita Express."
PA 安德鲁王子 是飞机的常客 PA, Prince Andrew, is a frequent flyer.
还有BC 比尔 So is BC, Bill,
以及GM 吉斯莱恩·麦克斯韦 and GM, Ghislaine Maxwell.
王子 总统和女性 Princes, presidents, and females.
没有女孩们的名字 The girls don't get named.
等媒体蜂拥而至时 我们手上好有一些真凭实据 Just so our ducks are in a row when all of Fleet Street comes knocking.
跟您确认一遍 Just for the record, you've been on his private plane.
您搭乘过他的私人飞机
对 Yes.
您在他的私人岛屿上待过 You've been to stay on his private island.
对 Yes.
您在他位于棕榈滩的家里住过 You've stayed at his home in Palm Beach.
爱泼斯坦被逮捕了 an arrest warrant was issued for Epstein
原因是性侵未成年人 for sexual assault of a minor.
是的 Yes.
他于2010年7月获释 He was released in July of 2010.
没过几个月 And within months,
你去了他在纽约的豪宅找他 you went to stay with him at his New York mansion.
为什么? Why?
您为什么要跟一个 已被定罪的性罪犯在一起? Why were you staying with a convicted sex offender?
我去见他 只有一个目的 就是去告诉他 Now, I went to see him with the sole purpose of saying to him
因为他犯罪了 that because he had been convicted,
所以我们不该再有任何交集 否则是不合适的 it was inappropriate that we should be seen together.
我觉得在电话里说这个 显得很懦弱 I felt that doing it over the telephone was the chicken's way of doing it.
我必须跟他面对面说 I had to go and see him and talk to him.
我去见他了 我们有机会去公园散个步 I went to see him. We had an opportunity to go for a walk in the park,
那次对话 恰好成为了 and that was the... uh, conversation,
coincidentally,
被拍下来的那次 that was photographed.
当时...我对他说: “因为发生了...这些事 When I... I said to him, I said, "Look, because of what has... happened,
我觉得我们不该再有联系” I don't think it is appropriate for us to remain in contact."
双方共同决定 And by mutual decision,
同意断绝联系 然后我走了 we agreed to part company, and I left.
为了庆祝释放 他办了一个派对 He threw a party to celebrate his release,
您是作为贵宾受邀参加 and you were invited as a guest of honor.
不 我没去 No, I didn't go.
哦 是2010年啊 Oh, in 2010.
那肯定不是一个庆祝他释放的派对 There... Well, there... There certainly wasn't a... a party
在12月 因为那只是一场小型的晚宴 to celebrate his release in... December, because it was only a small dinner party.
晚宴上只有八个或十个人 There were only eight or ten of us at the dinner.
如果真的有派对 If there was a... a party,
那我就不知道了 then I know nothing about that.
您受邀参加那场晚宴 You were invited to that dinner
以贵宾的身份 as a guest of honor.
我去了 参加了晚宴 但不是像你说的那样 I was there, so I was at the dinner. I don't think it was as you might put it,
但是 好吧 我去了 我参加了晚宴 but, okay, I was there. I was there at a dinner.
我只想理清楚 I'm just trying to work this out
因为您说 您过去是为了断绝关系 because you said you went to break up the relationship,
然而 您在那个纽约豪宅住了好几天 and yet you stayed at that New York mansion several days.
我想知道有多久... I'm wondering how long--
我在那里的时候 有很多事情要做 I was doing a number of other things while I was there.
但您住在了一个性罪犯的房子里 But you were staying at the house of a convicted sex offender.
那个地方很方便 It was a convenient place to stay.
[brooding music plays softly]
我跟《广角镜》联系过了 So I've spoken to Panorama.
弗吉尼娅·罗伯茨说照片原件 在拍摄两天后 Virginia Roberts says the original photo was printed and date stamped
被打印出来 标上日期 two days after it was taken,
我们还有2001年一位目击者的证词 and we have an affidavit from a witness in 2001
声称在当时看到了那张照片 who saw the photo at the time.
- 弗雷迪? - 什么? - Freddy? - Yeah?
谢谢你 Thank you.
没事 Yeah.
爱泼斯坦的指控者之一 [Emily] One of Epstein's accusers,
弗吉尼娅·罗伯茨 Virginia Roberts,
对您提出指控 made allegations against you.
在一份法律证词中 In a legal deposition,
她说她和您发生了三次性关系 she said she had sex with you three times.
一次是在伦敦 Once in a London house
当时她被贩卖过来 在麦克斯韦的房子里 when she was trafficked to you in Maxwell's house.
[softly] Uh...
一次在纽约 Once... in New York
大约一个月后 在爱泼斯坦的豪宅里 a month or so later in Epstein's mansion,
还有一次在他的私人岛上 and once on his private island,
还有其他七八个女孩 in a group of seven or eight other girls.
不是 No. [scoffs]
全部都不对? No to all of it?
全部 All of it.
绝对的 全部都不对 Absolutely no to all of it.
您是说 您不相信她说的话? Are you saying you don't believe her?
她在撒谎? She's lying?
这让我...很难回答 That's a difficult thing for me to, um... answer
因为我不知道 because I don't know
她想达到怎样的目的 what she's, um, trying to achieve.
但我可以告诉你... But I can tell you...
uh... categorically,
很明确地
我完全不记得曾经见过她 I don't remember meeting her at all.
我不记得有人给我们拍过照片 I do not remember a photograph being taken,
我已经说过了 and I've said,
不论是长期的 还是... consistently and, um...
频繁地发生 frequently,
我们从未有过任何形式的性接触 that we never had any sort of sexual contact whatever.
她说她在2001年认识您 She says she met you in 2001.
她说她跟您一起晚餐 She says she dined with you,
一起跳舞 danced with you.
您请她喝了酒 You bought her drinks
在伦敦的Tramp夜总会 at Tramp nightclub in London.
这个故事有很多谬误 其中之一 There's a number of things wrong with that story. One of which is that...
我不知道Tramp夜总会的酒吧在哪儿 I don't know where the bar is in Tramps.
Um...
我不喝酒 Um, I don't drink.
Um, I... I don't think I've ever bought a drink in Tramps whenever I was there.
我在那里的时候 从来没点过酒
和她跳舞的事您还记得吗? Do you remember dancing with her?
那不可能 因为在那一天 No, that couldn't have happened because on that particular date,
我在家 和孩子们在一起 I was, um, at home. I was with the children.
我带碧翠丝去了沃金的披萨快线 And I had taken Beatrice to a Pizza Express in Woking
去参加派对 我想是... 大概在下午四五点 for a party, I think... round about 4:00, 5:00 in the afternoon.
您为什么记得那么清楚? Why would you remember that so specifically?
因为去沃金的披萨快线 Because going to Pizza Express in Woking
对我来说是件不同寻常的事 is an unusual thing for me to do.
非常不寻常 A very unusual thing for me to do.
停一下 Uh, stop. Um...
可以吗? Can... Can we?
不好意思 我想回过去 Please, um, I would like to go back.
我想专门重申一下那个日期 I would like to make a... a specific reference to the date.
3月10日 March the 10th.
我觉得说得很清楚了 还需要吗? I think it's perfectly clear. Do we need that?
我觉得我们挺顺利的 你觉得呢 艾米莉? I think we're rolling well, don't you, Emily?
- 不用吗? - 不用 - No? - No.
[scoffs]
对那一晚 她说得很具体 - She was very specific about that night. - Mm-hmm.
她说到和您跳舞 She described dancing with you.
- 不 - 您出了很多汗 - No. - And you profusely sweating.
[scoffs]
出汗这个事 有点小问题 Um, there's a... there's a, um... a slight problem with the sweating.
But... because I have, um, a... peculiar condition,
因为我...我有个很奇特的症状
那就是 我不出汗 或者说 那个时候我没有出汗 which is that I don't sweat, or rather I didn't sweat at the time.
那样的话...实际上... And that would, um... Oh, actually...
对 我当时没出汗 Yes, I didn't sweat at the time,
那是因为我有 and that's because I suffered
我称之为肾上腺素过量的病症 因为在马岛战争中 what I would describe as an overdose of adrenaline in the Falklands War
当我被枪击时 我... when I was shot at, and I simply, um...
我几乎不可能出汗 it... it... it was almost impossible for me to... to... to sweat.
我想知道 I wonder
在您和爱泼斯坦 if you have any sense of
做朋友的那段时间里 您对您所做的任何事 guilt, regret, or shame
是否有任何愧疚 about any of your behavior
悔恨或羞耻 in your friendship with Epstein.
总的来说... On balance...
我有没有可能不与他相识呢? could I have avoided... ever meeting him?
Mm...
我觉得不可能 I don't think so,
那是因为我和吉斯莱恩是朋友 and that's because of my friendship with Ghislaine.
我是否有悔恨 [sighs through lips] Do I regret the fact
对于他做出了不得体的行为... that he's quite obviously, uh, conducted himself in a manner unbecoming...
“不得体”?他是个性罪犯 [Emily] "Unbecoming"? He was a sex offender.
是的 抱歉 我说得很委婉 Yes, I'm sorry. I... I was being polite.
我的意思就是他是个性罪犯 但说回来... I mean, in the sense that he was a sex offender. But, no, um...
我跟他作朋友 我做得对吗? Was I right in having him as a friend?
Um...
在当时 At the time,
要知道那是 他被指控为为性罪犯的几年前 bearing in mind this was some years before he was accused of being a sex offender,
我不觉得有什么不对的地方...在当时 I don't think there was anything wrong... then.
问题在于 在他被定罪为... The problem was, after the fact, that after he had been convicted...
- 您依然跟他来往 - 我依然跟他来往 - You stayed with him. - I stayed with him.
就是那一点 似乎是 And that's the bit that, um, as it were,
让我每天都感到懊悔 I kick myself for on a daily basis. [chuckles]
因为这... 对于一个皇室成员来说是不体面的 Because that... it was... it was not, um, becoming of a member of the royal family,
我们努力维护至高无上的准则和操守 and we... we try to uphold the highest standards and practices,
我辜负了众望 就这么简单 and I... I let the side down, simple as that.
- [music fades] - [clock ticking]
您觉得还有什么话没说 Is there anything you feel has been left unsaid
您想现在说的吗? that you would like to say now?
我觉得没有了 No, I don't think so.
你把我该说的话都掏干净了 You probably dragged out of me most of what's required.
[breathes deeply]
[tense music playing]
[camera whirring]
[exhales deeply]
我要走了 I'm gonna go.
楼下有个骑自行车的人 记忆卡 两份拷贝... I have a biker downstairs. The memory cards. Both copies...
你们想参观一下吗? Now, would you all like a tour?
拍点场景? Some stills?
当然可以 这样好了 一举两得 Ah. Yes, of course. Um... Tell you what, two birds, one stone.
你们拍照 我带艾米莉去逛逛 You take your snaps while I show Emily around.
[unsettling music intensifies]
[soundscape distorts eerily]
是不是挺好的? [distorted] Wasn't he wonderful?
挺好的 [softly] Wonderful.
[music fades]
[sighs]
[tense music builds]
- [chattering indistinctly] - [camera clicks]
[music fades out]
我觉得一切都很顺利 You know, I thought that all went very well.
就像在公园里散步一样轻松 Like a walk in the park.
[pensive music plays]
[clattering]
女士 您需要用车吗? Expecting a car, madam?
Uh... Uh, no. Thank you.
不 谢谢
Um... I think I'm going to walk.
我想我走路就好了 谢谢你
But thank you.
我要吐了 - I think I might be sick. - [both chuckle]
艾米莉 那真是... Emily. That was...
[breathes deeply]
那就是真实的他 你做到了 That was him... right there. You did it.
我们做到了 We did it.
谢谢你 萨米 Thanks, Sammy.
[pensive music continues]
Twitter teasers are nearly ready. When do we go live?
我现在就去和总监谈这件事 [Stewart] I'm gonna talk to the DG about that now.
[chuckles softly]
你们拍摄的时候 她的人就在房间里 他录下来了 对吗? She had her man in the room when you shot the interview. He recorded it. Yes?
她会阻止我们播出吗 托尼? Could she stop it going out, Tony?
她可是女王 电话我总得接吧 Well, she is the Queen. I mean, I'd have to take the call.
我们想在周五 晚上的演出结束后现场播放 We want to trail it on Friday night after the show, live.
由艾米莉来做吗? With Emily?
当然 之后会在社交媒体上 发布预告片 Of course. With teasers on socials afterwards.
我会告诉白金汉宫 我们周六晚上播出 [Tony] I'll tell the Palace we're broadcasting on Saturday night.
等我的消息 Wait for me to get back to you.
[doors opening]
多长时间? How long?
15分钟 Fifteen minutes.
我想没消息就是好消息 [Emily] I guess no news is good news.
Oh...
- 托尼? - 埃斯米 你好 - Tony? - Esme, hi.
启动吧 我们可以了 Pull the trigger. We're on.
明晚将会有一期 《新闻之夜》特别节目 Tomorrow night, in a Newsnight special program,
我们将首次听到公爵自己的说法 we will hear for the first time from the duke himself.
在这一次史无前例的专访中 In an unprecedented interview,
他向我们详细讲述了 他与爱泼斯坦的友谊 he speaks to us at length about his friendship with Epstein
以及所有针对他的言论 and the claims made against him.
安德鲁王子 约克公爵 Prince Andrew, the Duke of York,
长期以来 他与金融家 杰弗里·爱泼斯坦的关系备受争议 has long faced questions about his ties to the financier Jeffrey Epstein,
爱泼斯坦于今年早些时候自杀身亡 who took his life earlier this year
当时还在等候审讯... while awaiting trial on sex...
[gentle anticipative music builds slowly]
[notification alerts chime faintly]
[phone buzzes]
(感谢我们不屈不挠的制作人 萨姆·麦卡利斯特争取到采访)
(2019年11月16日) [music trails off]
- 这些该死的灰尘是从哪里来的? - 是啊 殿下 - Where does this bloody dust come from? - I know, sir.
(今晚安德鲁与麦特莉丝 《新闻之夜》采访抢先看)
[elevator dings]
“对于王子而言 [Amanda] "For the prince, the whole nerve-shredding exercise is designed
这样一场让人无比紧张的活动 是为了展示出
他没有什么可隐瞒的” to show that he has nothing to hide."
“这将证明 他是完全坦诚和值得信任的 "It will show that he has been wholly honest and truthful."
‘某种程度上’ 这是朋友的引言 ‘他是在说:评判我吧’” "'In a way,' says a friend, 'he is saying, "Judge me.""
这很好 不是吗? It's... It's excellent, isn't it?
Huh.
就该是这个基调 It's... It's exactly the right tone.
非常好 - [sighs] - Very good.
你希望我在这里吗? Would you... Would you like me to be here tonight
今晚播出的时候 when it... goes out?
不用了 不需要 Oh, no, I don't think so.
我觉得没必要 No, I really don't think that's necessary.
[positive music playing]
你们好! - [door opens] - [Sam's mum] Hello!
外婆 这是芙蕾雅 Nana, this is Freya.
- 你好 快进来 - 芙蕾雅 这是妮塔 - Hello. Come in. Come in. - Freya, this is Netta.
你好 Hello.
[kissing]
[jingle playing on TV]
[grunts softly]
事实上 我很确定 Um, in... In fact, I'm convinced
我从来没有跟她一起 出现在Tramp夜总会 that I was never in Tramps with her.
这个故事有很多谬误 其中之一 There's a number of things wrong with that story. One of which is that...
我不知道酒吧在哪里 I don't know where the bar is.
[notifications whirring rapidly]
我有个很奇特的症状 那就是 我不出汗 I have a, um... a peculiar condition, which is that I don't sweat,
或者说 那个时候我没有出汗 or rather I didn't sweat at the time. And that would...
那样的话...
那是因为我有 and that is because I had suffered
我称之为肾上腺素过量的病症 在马岛战争中得的 what I would describe as an overdose of adrenaline in the Falklands War.
因为去沃金的披萨快线 Because going to Pizza Express in Woking
对我来说是件不同寻常的事 is an unusual thing for me to do.
对我来说是件不同寻常的事 A very unusual thing for me to do.
(我不打小报告 我的忠诚如铁盘一样深)
如果弗吉尼娅·罗伯茨在看这个采访 [Emily] So, if Virginia Roberts is watching this interview,
你想对她说什么? what's your message to her?
我没什么要对她说的 I don't have a message for her
因为我必须... because I have to have...
她一直在给他机会 She gives him every chance.
如果有人要作出这样的指控... And if somebody's going to make these sorts of allegations...
[notification alerts chiming]
我们努力维护至高无上的准则和操守 [Andrew] We try and uphold the highest standards and practices,
我辜负了众望 就这么简单 and, um, I let the side down, simple as that.
老天啊 Christ's sake.
[phone chiming, vibrating]
[Emily] ...you feel you'd like to say...
that has been left unsaid?
[notification alerts chiming]
我觉得没有了 [Andrew] No, I don't think so.
你把我该说的话都掏干净了 You probably dragged out of me most of what's required.
[pensive music builds slowly]
我们去前面坐 妈妈 [Lucas] We're gonna sit up front, Mum.
(这不是皇家操守的问题)
(这是性侵害和贩卖儿童的问题)
(纽约)
(克里斯蒂娜·泰纳姆)
[music fades out]
[clock ticking]
[footsteps approaching]
殿下 Your Royal Highness.
[Andrew] Mm.
[gentle music plays softly]
[clicking, whirring]
- 阿曼达! - 阿曼达 简单说几句 - [cameras clicking] - [man 1] Amanda!
[man 2] Amanda, a quick statement.
[all clamoring]
[indistinct overlapping shouting]
你有何感想? Would you like to comment?
[clicking, whirring]
白金汉宫刚刚发表了约克公爵的声明 The Palace have just released a statement from the Duke of York.
“我已请求女王陛下允许我 "I have asked Her Majesty if I may step back
在可预见的将来不再担任公职 from public duties for the foreseeable future,
她同意了” and she has given me her permission."
“我仍然对自己与杰弗里·爱泼斯坦 "I continue to unequivocally regret
之间的不当交往悔恨不已” my ill-judged association with Jeffrey Epstein."
“他的自杀 留下了许多有待解决的问题 "His suicide has left many unanswered questions,
尤其是对于受害者而言” particularly for his victims."
“我只希望她们能尽快开始新的生活” "I can only hope that in time, they will be able to rebuild their lives."
这就是《新闻之夜》的意义 This is what Newsnight is.
我们花时间去报道 其他节目不会报道的故事 We put the time in... to get the stories other shows won't.
需要被讲述的故事 Stories that need to be told,
人们关心的故事 that people care about,
向强权问责 hold the powerful to account
让受害者发声 and give victims a voice.
[all clapping]
谢谢 Thank you.
[chuckles softly]
[indistinct overlapping chatter]
(安德鲁王子辞去皇室职务)
两份羊肉沙瓦玛 Two lamb shawarma.
跟平时一样 The usual.
谢谢 Thanks. [chuckles]
你看了吗? 真希望拍摄的时候我能在现场! You seen this? Love to be there when they filmed that!
是的 我看了 Yeah, I did. I saw it.
- 谢谢 - 谢谢 - Thanks. - Bye.
[energetic pensive music playing]
(《新闻之夜》 对安德鲁王子的采访)
(是该节目历史上 收视率最高的一期)
(获得了多项新闻报道奖)
(在采访播出的几天后)
(安德鲁王子辞去皇室职务)
(被剥夺了皇室头衔)
(2022年3月 安德鲁 与弗吉尼娅·朱弗雷达成和解)
(不承认任何责任 据说向她支付了1200万英镑)
(杰弗里·爱泼斯坦 性侵害的幸存者)
(至今仍在为正义而战)
(迄今为止 已向受害者支付了超过5.5亿美元)
(2021年 萨姆·麦卡利斯特 离开BBC)
(现在是伦敦经济学院的 高级访问学者)
(教授谈判课程)
[pulsing pensive music builds]
[energetic music plays]
- 字幕翻译: - Zeo Niu
[music trails off]